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Minutes of the Maresfield Parish Council meeting held on Tuesday
17th April 2007
in the Village Hall, Maresfield
Present:
Cllr W King (Chairman), Cllr D Barlow, Cllr H Fry, Cllr R
Galley, Cllr J Gutteridge,
Cllr J Handley, Cllr K Ogden, Cllr C Stephens, Cllr R Street,
Cllr Mrs V Taylor, Cllr P Tester,
Cllr R Tester, DCllr F Brown, CCllr T Reid, Mrs C Goossens (Asst
Clerk)
Public:
Ms Renée Godfrey
A. Public Session
– None.
1233. To approve apologies for absence and to note other
non-attendance.
DCllr J Hollins, DCllr N Buck, DCllr Mrs S Martin, Cllr G Hardy,
and the Clerk.
1234. Declarations of interest
– Cllr King re. Item 1141 –as Secretary of Nutley PCC.
1235. Minutes:-
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Minutes of the previous Meeting (20th March 2007) for
adoption.
Cllr Stephens re. Item 1230, wished to clarify what he had said
i.e. that if Mr Baguley had turned up to the appointment he had
scheduled with Cllr Stephens, they would have understood each
other perfectly but without this meeting it would seem that his
expectation was different from that of the Parish Council. The
minutes were Approved.
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Matters arising from those minutes.
Re. Item 1231.2 Annual assembly – Cllr Mrs Taylor made the
following comments:
o
She expressed her concern in relation to the proposed subject
matter i.e. talking about hundreds of houses in Maresfield
Parish. She is not aware of any such suggestion for Nutley or
Fairwarp and therefore considers the topic to be very Maresfield
biased, and fears the Parish Council will fail to attract
Parishioners from Nutley and Fairwarp at the forthcoming Annual
Assembly.
o
The issue of additional housing in and around the Parish is
extremely sensitive.
o
It would seem that the topic is being used as a publicity tool
to get more attendees at a generally poorly attended meeting.
o
A more topical subject / discussion point might be “Why don’t
more people come forward to stand for election?”
The following points were noted in discussion:
o
Mrs Helen Compson recently sent an email to the Parish Office
suggesting open forum discussions with Parishioners detailing
the roles and responsibilities of Parish Councillors in a bid to
seek more applicants.
o
Mrs Mollie Smith at recent Strategy Committee meeting stated
that some parishioners in Nutley feel that the Parish Council is
not doing enough. The Annual Assembly may be an opportunity to
address such issues.
o
Cllrs Ogden and Gutteridge confirmed their agreement with Cllr
Mrs Taylor.
o
Although having no issue with a contentious subject, Cllr P
Tester noted that discussions should not centre around one
village as this is a Parish wide meeting.
o
Cllr Galley noted that two hot topics which are inter-related
are traffic and housing. The Annual Assembly would be an
opportunity for the Parish Council to get a view from
parishioners as to what they think is feasible and what they
would like us to press for in relation to both issues.
o
Affordable Housing and whether or not there should be any
further development are hot topics on which the Parish Council
should focus at the forthcoming meeting.
o
Use of the hot topics to promote discussion in a constructive
parish wide way should be the aim of the Annual Assembly.
o
CCllr Reid noted the key concerns regularly raised with him are
housing development and traffic speed and the need to balance
the two. Government has a responsibility regarding housing
development for without such growth you don’t have children at
local school and they subsequently come under threat. Growth is
coming and will not stop but needs to be done in as balanced a
way as possible with Parish Council working constructively with
both District and County Councils.
o
Cllr King noted that there is a real danger of over-polling the
residents of Maresfield village i.e. theoretically discussing
housing now when it may need to be discussed in the near future
as a real possibility and this may result in the Parish Council
not getting feedback when it really is needed.
o
“What are the risks and problems of the future of the South East
Plan for housing and traffic in our parish and area?”
o
Cllr Mrs Taylor conceded that a discussion around the
inter-relationship of housing and traffic is a better proposal
although not perfect.
o
There is always a good attendance by Parishioners in the hosting
village where the Annual Assembly is held, and it is therefore
necessary to have a subject that will draw people from Nutley
and Fairwarp to the meeting.
o
Prospective housing growth in this area will impact on all
Parishioners especially with regard to the resultant increase in
traffic volumes throughout the Parish.
o
Cllr Fry stated that assuming a certain amount of growth in
housing within the Parish will occur, a review of current
transport plans would be a useful exercise.
o
Additional housing will bring more pressure to the existing
infrastructure, which many already consider to be in deficit.
o
Many people are concerned about housing either because they are
looking for housing, they don’t want it in their back yards or
they think they can make a profit from it.
o
To facilitate a debate, it is necessary to make a statement and
then put both sides of the story to it e.g. “The LDF may require
more housing in the area; should we always say no or should we
look at the possible gains?”
o
Discussion should not focus on Park Farm, Maresfield in
isolation but encompass all possible housing development sites
both in Maresfield Parish and surrounding Parishes e.g.
Grampian, i.e. the needs of the area generally.
o
It was Agreed that the subject for the forthcoming Annual
Assembly should be “What are the benefits and disadvantages of
more housing in the Wealden area?”
o
It was Agreed that the “panel” should consist of Parish
Councillors only.
o
It was noted that the Chair of the meeting has a very important
role.
1236. Reports by and questions to:-
1.
County
Councillors.
CCllr Reid reported the following:
o
Some of the angst with central government and
disappointment with the Parish Council is largely due to the
raising of expectations against realities of what can be done.
Parish Councils need to say honestly what they can and can’t
achieve.
o
Re. Fairwarp Signage – The ESCC Officer responsible has
been in communication with the Clerk and the signing locations
and wording have been agreed. CCllr Reid has not been able to
confirm that a “Works Order” has yet been agreed but this matter
is close to completion.
o
On Friday 27th April, he will be chairing the
first of a number of meetings which will look into how ESCC’s
provision of rural transport might evolve in the future,
particularly as it is unsustainable under current funding.
Cllr Barlow confirmed that he will attend this meeting with Mrs
Mollie Smith and Mr Stefan Butler.
CCllr Reid thanked all Councillors for their help over the last
twelve months and wishes all of those standing again on 3rd
May the very best of luck.
2.
District Councillors.
DCllr Brown reported the following:
o
Having recently attended a seminar about the LDF, he
reported that although the general consensus seemed to be an
intention to move development into the villages and away from
the towns, the final decision was to move it the other way i.e.
major developments in the towns and minor developments in the
villages especially where there was demand i.e. to keep local
people local.
o
WDC plans a seminar to provide Councillors with more
detail re. planning procedures.
Cllr Ogden reported that David Phillips, WDC, was surprised
Parish Councillors, contrary to policy, are requesting the High
Weald area be used for additional housing to keep the villages
alive.
The Chairman thanked DCllr Brown as this is his last Parish
Council meeting. In their absence, he also thanked DCllrs
Hollins and Mrs Kennedy who will be standing for different wards
in the election.
1237. Council bodies: Actions, minutes and reports by, and
questions to, Chairmen:-
1.
Environment.
Cllr Ogden thanked those Councillors who are members of the
Environment Committee but will not be standing at the
forthcoming election, for all their hard work over the years.
Cllr P Tester stated that although the roundabout has been
re-installed at Fords Green Play Area, he thinks that the gap is
larger underneath the roundabout than was recommended by the
Play Area Inspector. ACTION: Clerk to refer to
Environment Committee.
Cllr Barlow reported that he had this week carried out a visual
inspection of Fords Green Play Area and the roundabout was one
of the issues of concern to him. Additionally, the wood
chippings need topping up.
Parklands Play Area -
The Greystoke apparatus has now been removed from PPA and
installed at Maresfield Recreation Ground Play Area. The
Assistant Clerk is waiting to hear from Rob Wheway regarding
inspection of this apparatus. The new equipment for PPA is
scheduled for installation w/c 30th April 2007.
MRG Tree works
– The necessary paperwork for road closure has been submitted.
The works are scheduled for 29th July – this is the
earliest possible date as the transport officer at ESCC will
only allow diversion of buses on Sunday’s or during school
holidays. Simon Birkby confirms that his original quotation
will stand for a period of six months to cover the works to be
carried out in July 2007.
2.
Finance & Administration:-
1.
Month 12 Financial Reports.
Cllr Street reported the following:
o
An under-spend of £17,524 on the budget seems large however,
taken out of this figure is £6,073 for ongoing contracts which
could not be fulfilled this financial year i.e. Maresfield
Recreation Ground tree works and Parklands Play Area updates.
The money in the budget for these two items will go forward into
next year’s budget as earmarked funds. Of the remaining
£11,448, £5,000 will be used to bolster the reserves as budgeted
and there are some accruals of approximately £500. The result
is an under-spend of approximately £6000.
o
He had predicted that funds available to go forward into next
year’s budge would total approximately £3,500.
o
Annual Return – last year balances carried forward were £30,792,
whereas this year the Parish Council will be carrying forward
£42,183. £6,073 going through as earmarked funds, £6,570 is
carried by the Parish Council for the Community Transport fund.
Therefore, by removing these two amounts totalling approximately
£12,500, in terms of balances the budget is more or less where
it should be i.e. approximately £30,000.
o
Cllr Fry stated that when these figures are presented to the
auditors there should be an explanation of the significant
variations and that these explanations should also be there for
Councillors and members of the public to see. Cllr Street
confirmed that the Parish Council is required to do this and
indeed does so.
o
It was noted that under item 9 of the Annual Return, the total
assets are recorded as being the same this year as last; why is
there no depreciation? Cllr Street explained that the auditors
do not take depreciation into account, although the figures will
be under review at the audit later this year.
o
Cllr Galley questioned the merit of the auditors’ recommendation
of having reserves of £30,000. Cllr King confirmed that the
recommendation was that the amount was built up to this level
and then maintained. It was noted that these reserves would
enable the Parish Council to continue to function for a period
of six months. The level of reserves is purely advice from the
auditors whether we need to follow this advice is a question for
the RFO and for further discussion in November/December when the
precept is next set. ACTION: Clerk to advise Council.
o
Cllr P Tester congratulated Cllr Street and members of the F&A
Committee for presenting extremely clear figures.
o
It was noted that the Annual Return will come to Council for
Adoption, the one circulated with the meeting papers was a draft
by way of information.
2.
Approval of revised contracts of employment for Clerk and
Assistant Clerk.
The Chairman stated that the
revised contract of employment for the Clerk ought to be
discussed confidentially and due to the presence of a member of
the public, he proposed that he put the appropriate
resolution to exclude the public to
Councillors but suggested that this item be taken at the end of
the meeting.
This was Agreed by all.
3.
Annual appraisals for Clerk and Assistant Clerk.
It was Agreed that Cllr King and Cllr Street would
conduct the Clerk’s forthcoming appraisal. It was noted that
the Clerk will conduct the appraisal for the Assistant Clerk
having sought input from Councillors. ACTION: Clerk to
report to Council regarding Asst Clerk’s appraisal having
conducted it.
Cllr King stated that has requested details of the appraisal
scheme used by Crowborough Town Council.
4.
Proposed amendments to Remits of Committees
It was noted that the Clerk had made a recommendation in his
note to Council dated 20th March 2007, as circulated
with the meeting papers, proposing amendments to the remits of
committees and that this was on the advice of Mrs Pritchett.
Cllr King proposed that the remits of committees are amended as
outlined in the Clerk’s paper, this was seconded by Cllr P
Tester and Agreed by all.
3.
Planning.
Cllr King reported that recent meetings have been relatively
straightforward.
4.
Strategy.
Cllr Ogden reported the following:
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Traffic work is very much ongoing, although it will be
necessary to secure S106 agreements and ESCC funding before
anything tangible can happen.
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SSCP / Speedwatch ongoing
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The Health Portfolio holders continue their work towards
obtaining a branch surgery in the Parish.
Finally, Cllr Ogden thanked those Councillors who are and have
been members of the Strategy Committee but who will not be
standing at the forthcoming election, for all their hard work
over the years.
1238. Outside bodies’ reports.
o
Cllr Street is currently the Parish Council’s representative for
the Uckfield Line Parishes Committee which meets every other
month in Buxted. Having fallen into the job by default he feels
Cllr Barlow, with his professional experience would be far more
adequate at doing the job than he is. Cllr Barlow Agreed
to take over this role from Cllr Street.
o
Cllr Fry reported that the Wealden Senior Citizen’s Partnership
is holding a coffee morning at 10.30am on 21st April
at the United Reformed Church, Croft Road, Crowborough. This
will be an opportunity to inform people about the work of the
WSCP and to recruit more members.
o
Cllr Ogden reported that today, a meeting took place between
Maresfield Conservation Group’s working party, Field End
Residents Association, Colin Buchanan and Ian Logan / John
Gore’s Group. Cllr Mrs Taylor reported that this was a very
useful meeting which she attended as a member of the public
having signed up for more information from this group at the
first meeting at the village hall in Maresfield last year.
Although there is little to report at present it would be
useful in future for the Strategy Committee to receive regular
updates on this matter.
Cllr Street reported that on his recent Councillors course he
was informed that Councillors cannot act as members of the
public; if they attend meetings they have all the obligations of
being a Councillor. ACTION: Clerk to advise.
Cllr Ogden explained that both he and Cllr Mrs Taylor were
introduced at this recent meeting as Councillors at which time
they made it clear that they were not representing the views of
the Parish Council.
1239. Chairman’s Report – followed by questions to Chairman.
It was noted that there was a typographical error in the
Chairman’s report Karl Sparks should be Parks.
The Chairman reminded Councillors that on Wednesday 18th
April at 7.30pm there would be a service at Nutley Church for
the induction of Rev. John Hobbs.
1240. Clerk's Report.
The Assistant Clerk reminded Councillors that they must make
direct contact with WDC if they wish to participate in training
relating to the revised model Code of Conduct.
Cllr P Tester confirmed in relation to Item 1. paragraph 3, of
the Clerk’s written report, that he will now be present at the
Annual Meeting of Council on 15th May 2007.
1241. Approval of payments to be made.
The Assistant Clerk reported that “additional” March 2007
payments were needed to ensure these costs were correctly
allocated to the O6/07 accounts and that these have already been
approved by the Chairman and Vice-Chairman of Council and the
Chairman of the F&A Committee.
Payments totalling £6832.24 were Approved en-block.
Subsequent to this schedule being produced, the Parish Council
has now received the first invoice from Playsafe for 50% of the
equipment and installation costs for the new items at Parklands
Play Area. Councillors Agreed to Approve this
additional payment of £2946.00 excluding VAT, which for
completeness will be included on the payments schedule for May
2007.
1242. Communications:-
1.
Annual Assembly – 18th May 2007.
The Assistant Clerk reminded Councillors that reports from
Committee Chairmen were requested for receipt in the Parish
Office by Friday 13th April. If the Parish Council
wants to achieve the target of having the Annual Report
available 10 days prior to the event, outstanding reports will
be required within the coming week.
It was also reported that despite inviting some thirty local
groups and organisations to contribute to the Annual Report, to
date, only a handful of submissions have been received. It was
noted that maybe in future, more lead time is required when
asking groups and organisations for written contributions.
2.
Village Fetes – Maresfield 28th May, Nutley 30th
June, Fairwarp 14th July.
The Assistant Clerk reported that a few short meetings would be
needed with those Councillors leading on each fete, to progress
the input for the fetes. A common approach for all three would
make set up much easier.
ACTION: Asst Clerk to arrange a meeting to include the various
volunteers to discuss practical and theoretical issues for the
three village fete.
CCllr Reid, DCllr F Brown, Cllr Fry and Ms R Godfrey left the
meeting.
The meeting reverted to item 1237.2.2
It was Resolved that in view of the confidential nature
of the business to be transacted, it is advisable that the
public and press be temporarily excluded and they were
instructed to withdraw.
Although there are no issues arising in relation to the
Assistant Clerk’s Contract which haven’t been previously
discussed, it was noted that additional information has since
come to light which means there may be a discussion relating to
pensions – although the Assistant Clerk has forgone the offer of
a pension, the right to it remains in the contract. Therefore
it was Agreed to look at the Clerk’s contract first.
The following points were noted in discussion:
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The contracts are before Council for approval as a set of
words and to discuss the new issues relating to the cost of
pension contributions for the Council.
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The contracts have already been seen by Council at its
February 2007 meeting when it was agreed that Cllr Street
should to revert to the Clerk and Assistant Clerk to see if
the documents were acceptable to them. The minutes for the
last Council meeting report Cllr Street had done this and
that they were ready for signature. Council saw no further
need to vote again on the contract at that stage.
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Since coming to an agreement that both the Clerk and
Assistant Clerk’s posts should be pensionable, it transpires
that the cost to Council will now be greater than originally
expected.
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The Clerk agreed to forego his salary scale increase for the
year and instead sign up for the pension scheme; which was
effectively a pay-rise. The Assistant Clerk will forego the
pension and instead take a salary increase.
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Council’s decision to offer a pension scheme to both
employees was based on a contribution by the employer of 11%
of the Clerk’s salary, however, since then ESCC have
informed the Parish Council that the contribution by the
employer has now increased to 17%.
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The revised cost to the Council in monetary terms must now
be reconsidered.
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The 2007/08 budget for salaries (including pensions) was
£34,000.
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The cost of Council’s pension contribution for the Clerk (at
17% of his salary) would be £3784, compared to £2378 at the
previously agreed rate of 11%.
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Despite the additional cost to Council of between
approximately £3,000 and £3,500, this amount can be covered
because there was an under spend in the 2006/07 budget of
£6000.
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Council needs to address whether it would be morally right,
having negotiated with the Clerk to provide him with a
pension to then renege on this promise merely because the
cost has increased.
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Cllr P Tester noted that although Council can afford to pay
pension contributions for the Clerk at a rate of 17% this
coming financial year, it doesn’t mean to say that it can
afford to do so in future years.
He was concerned about the 11% contribution and is
even more concerned at one of 17%. Council should look at
the overall increase offered to the Clerk and make
adjustments accordingly.
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Cllr Street
confirmed that the salary spinal point that the Clerk has
foregone effectively represents an increase of approximately
£900 to £1000 on this year’s budget.
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This is the local authority pension scheme and subsequently
all councils are faced with a similar increase.
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Cllr Galley noted that Council’s total spend is around
£80,000 of which approximately 50% is staff costs. Normally
he would feel that this is not the right way to go and we
should cut back on staff costs, however, the Parish Council
employs a highly motivated Clerk who does a good job and it
has made a moral agreement with said Clerk.
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Cllr Street stated that although he takes on board Cllr
Galley’s view, essentially the staff are the Parish Council;
the only administrative part of what they do is to serve
Parish Councillors with their meeting papers etc. The Clerk
and the Assistant Clerk are the ones who go out and get
people to cut the grass seek people to fix the notice boards
etc.
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The only way to reduce staff costs is to reduce the amount
of time that the Clerk and Asst Clerk work and they would in
some way have to be recompensed for this. The job still
needs to be done and neither member of staff has done
anything wrong and therefore Council cannot dismiss them.
As a local authority the Parish Council should be a model
employer. The staff contracts are recommended by NALC and
are part of the criteria for being a Quality Council.
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It was noted that the increase from 11% to 17% means that
Council is paying a lot more money for no benefit and should
therefore look for alternatives.
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Cllr Ogden noted that the possibility of the Parish Office
taking in outside work to cover additional costs should be
considered.
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It was the Clerk who brought the matter of the increase in
the employer’s pension contribution from 11 to 17% to the
attention of Cllr Street.
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Council is legally bound to offer some pension provision for
employees, although this does include non-contributory
pension schemes i.e. employer does not contribute.
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If the Clerk took a salary increment it would cost Council
(with one spinal point progression and assuming RPI) £1499.
Whereas the increase without the spinal point but including
the Council’s pension contribution would be £3785.
It was Agreed by majority that Council should proceed
with the contributory pension scheme despite the increase from
11% to 17.6%.
Cllr Street
proposed that the model contracts as circulated be signed on
behalf of the Council. This was seconded by Cllr Ogden and
Agreed by all.
It was noted that there is a discrepancy in the Clerk’s contract
regarding holiday under items 13.1 and 13.2 i.e. reference to 20
and 25 days, and that this should be corrected before signature.
1243. Date of next meeting, 15th May 2007 (Fairwarp).
Cllr King said how much he has enjoyed being Chairman and that
in this period the Parish Council’s standing has risen
significantly on a Local, District and County level. He went on
to commend
Cllr Ogden for taking on a significant amount of work since the
departure of Tim Sparrow, to thank Cllr P Tester on a personal
level for his support and finally thanked Councillors Stephens,
Hardy and R Tester for their longstanding service on the Parish
Council.
There being no further business the meeting closed at 21.30.
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